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  • #605252

    DBP
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    Friday, October 19, 2012

    These photos of the LP geese were taken in front of the middle shelter yesterday morning. One of these geese is the same one that was chased and bitten (?) by an off-leash dog two weeks ago.

    Lincoln Park ‘resident goose’ attacked by dog, readers report

    I’m sure the dog attack was very traumatic for both geese, and it should not have happened. However, as you can see here, the geese seem to be recovering well. There was no obvious physical damage, and they didn’t seem to be any more shy of people or dogs than they usually are.

    It made me very glad to see the geese back in the thick of things, but notwithstanding that, I’m still planning on joining with others to pressure the City to keep dogs ON leashes and OFF beaches.

     

    #774366

    Sonoma
    Participant

    Thanks for the great photos of these beautiful birds. I see them on my walks, too, and they look OK. In addition to emails, are there other ways we can work to ensure dog owners obey the laws? (Besides saying to the dogs, “Where’s your leash, cutie-pie?”)

    #774367

    Thanks DBP.

    #774368

    wakeflood
    Participant

    Good question, Sonoma. Others of us are trying to sort that out. You can always start by submitting a report of off leash pets you see to the city’s online reporting system.

    There’s a Fauntleroy Community Association Board Meeting on Nov. 13 that several of us will be attending to ask the Board’s opinion on how to address what is clearly an out-of-control situation.

    At some point, hopefully soon, we’ll have a more specific way to move this forward and we’ll certainly want your input!

    Tom

    #774369

    DBP
    Member

    I’m going to contact the Seal Sitters and ask them to put in an appearance at the FCA meeting. I imagine they’ll have something to say about off-leash dogs on beaches.

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    At the FCA meeting, I’m going to recommend that the City launch a campaign to change people’s behavior on this, and that the campaign would include the following three pieces:

    1) Education — The City could do press releases and public service announcements to remind people about the off-leash law and to explain why it’s important.

    2) Alternatives — Let’s make sure dog owners know where the off-leash parks and dog run beaches are, so they’ll know where they CAN go to have their dogs off leash. At the same time, we can let people know how they can advocate for more off-leash parks if that will help solve the problem.

    (I like what happened on another thread where someone came on in good faith and said: “I have dogs and I want to obey the law, but where I can go to have fun with my dogs on the beach?” Several people then came on the thread with info about beaches where it’s legal to have a dog on the beach. That was so great! I would like to see more exchanges like that here on the Blog, and everywhere else.)

    3) Enforcement — As a last resort, people should be getting ticketed for having their dogs off leash. Maybe there could be a few weeks of “warning tickets” + education from Animal Control officers to put people on notice. After that, let the ticketing begin in earnest.

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    I have no problem with people who wanna confront the off-leashers directly. That helps, but that is not a good option for everyone (including me) and it is not a long-term solution to the problem. To change people’s behavior on this I’m afraid we’re going to need a combination of persuasion and coercion.

    #774370

    mtnfreak
    Participant

    I had images of badly mauled canada geese.

    But wait – those geese aren’t wild! They’re domesticated geese gone feral. We’re getting upset because some off-leash dogs got a hold of a pair of farm geese?

    I understand that its not ok to have dogs off leash. Its also not ok to have farm animals roving a city park.

    #774371

    wakeflood
    Participant

    It may not be ok for farm geese to be hanging about the park but nobody’s asked to adopt them that I know of. And it should be noted that they had been spending most of their time down at the Ferry Cove area before the construction started there.

    I guess my question is what do you suggest happen with them?

    #774372

    anonyme
    Participant

    As these geese are now feral, they’re really not farm animals any longer – if indeed they ever were. Many bird groups have domesticated members and interbreeding is common. I’ve seen quite a few fancy 4-H varieties of pigeons down at Pike Place Market. Many parks across the country have small flocks of domesticated geese in residence. I don’t think these geese are fair game for off-leash dog attacks merely because they’re not a wild or native species.

    #774373

    DBP
    Member

    OK, some news on the FCA board meeting:

    7:00 PM Tuesday, November 13

    Fauntleroy Schoolhouse Community Center

    9131 California Ave SW

    I just spoke with the President of FCA and he said FCA would appreciate hearing from anyone who witnessed the goose attacks earlier this month. I’ll also be sending this guy some of my pix of off-leash dogs on the beach.

    I contacted the Seal Sitters but they will probably not attend this next FCA board meeting. They would, however, like to attend a future general meeting (sometime in January) on the condition that a representative from Animal Control is there to hear their concerns.

    #774374

    hammerhead
    Participant

    The question was asked several months ago to relocate, Well I have a rescue THAT WILL TAKE THEM NOW. Already ask him he said no problem, but lords knows didn’t want to piss anyone off. Yet if one winds up dead because of an irresponsible dog owner.

    Changing peoples mind wont’ work, those people just don’t care.

    So if everyone is on board let me know and consider it done.

    FCAT/HH

    #774375

    wakeflood
    Participant

    That’s a very reasonable option, hammerhead. I have no idea how one would go about confirming that it’s ok to move them. I suspect it starts with a discussion with the city Animal Control. They probably have to be the ones to capture them, should they be in favor of this plan.

    Please keep in mind that the geese are only a part of this story. MANY people are concerned about off leash dogs for other reasons. Attacking seals, other dogs, people, etc. that have been voiced here. Just getting rid of the geese doesn’t address this bigger issue. And they’re not going to be the primary topic at the FCA Board meeting either.

    #774376

    DBP
    Member

    Hey, I like the geese at LP and so do a lot of other people. They’re not hurting anyone, and besides that, lots of children would be disappointed if they were removed. I certainly hope that will not be the outcome of this thread . . .

    Remember: the real problem at LP is not geese but off-leash dogs. This is a problem that can be solved easily, with a little public education and enforcement.

    #774377

    SJoy
    Participant

    And the geese need to be moved because?

    #774378

    wakeflood
    Participant

    I think hammerhead is suggesting that since they’re not wild, they don’t belong in a public park. They’re exposed to potential harm from off leash dogs unnecessarily. That’s my interpretation of what is posted.

    I too would rather deal with the core issue (off leash) rather than just one of the symptoms (geese). Hammerhead seems to feel that off leash dogs aren’t going away cuz folks just don’t care to obey the law…

    #774379

    Sonoma
    Participant

    Good grief! Talk about “good intentions.” This thread started simply with some great photos of the two geese. And, quite simply, Lincoln Park is their home. Several generations have lived there. It’s where they’re comfortable. They seem perfectly content – despite the dogs and other dangers. Why on earth would we even consider uprooting them “for their own good”? As others have noted, the core issue is off-leash dogs, not feral/wild/whatever geese. Moving the geese is about as hare-brained an idea as installing a GoApe zipline.

    #774380

    hammerhead
    Participant

    Yes it is a good intention, but at the same time with all the other threads about stupid “humans” not obeying the law. YES, wakeflood that was all I was trying to do. Seattle animal control will not do anything with the birds, unless one gets killed or hurt badly.

    There will never be enough law enforcement. Thank budget cuts for that. The “humans” that do not obey the law, well education is not going to work either.

    AGAIN all I was trying to do is protect the birds. I know they are not hurting anyone, as for the kids, well if one is killed that would be just as horrible to tell them. Hopefully one does not get killed. Who cares if they have been there for as long as they have, for the most part, I personally think they are in danger.

    I don’t consider my idea half-brained as it was purely from the heart about caring for their safety.

    FCAT/HH

    #774381

    DBP
    Member

    ► We know your intentions are good, babe.

    ► No, your idea wasn’t a bad one; you were just trying to help.

    ► Education is still worth it. You educated me after all. So keep it up! And always remember:

     

     

    #774382

    JanS
    Participant

    oh, heaven forbid we take the geese out of harms way because, because…well, think of the children, they would miss them, or the other human beings who would have less than stellar walks because they couldn’t see the geese. We are so effing selfish sometimes, and makes me wonder who you really care about…the birds or yourselves.

    HH was only trying to help…and comparing it to a zipline above was simply idiotic. Off leash selfish humans will always exist. Get over yourselves!

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